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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the show um it has been a very hot

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couple of days here in the uk so excuse

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got a huge fan next to me so if you can

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hear that i'm sorry but i've got to stay

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cool uh thanks to everyone in the chat

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for being here live and anyone that's

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listening or watching after the fact

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either on youtube or the anomalous

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podcast network

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thank you so much i appreciate that now

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uh wig

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let me start again i've been having a

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lot of conversations with people

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recently and it always comes back to

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you've got to look at the history and so

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what better way to look at the history

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than bring on uh my good friend and one

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of the best in the business at looking

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at old cases

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mr sean rash sean how's it going man

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thanks for having me vinnie i always

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appreciate talking to you

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hey we could argue about that

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[Laughter]

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no i appreciate it i appreciate it dude

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i've spent uh way too much time looking

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at old documents and

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uh getting lost in a sea of crazy cases

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uh most definitely and it feels like

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once you

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start digging it's um it's like i don't

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know if you've ever seen those pringles

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commercials

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um but like you just can't stop once you

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start you can't stop um because

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each one

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there's something

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uh curious to it you know whether it

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turns out to be

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you know a dud so to speak

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even those are interesting

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you know to find out how they come to

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those conclusions and then you run into

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some of these cases that we'll get into

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today's the bentwaters is a lincoln

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heath case from 1956 that it's just like

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i had no idea you know

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how many like amazing unexplainable

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um you know sightings there have been

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throughout the course of time it's just

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amazing

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and the thing is is a lot of these old

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cases have got so many data points

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joined to them as well you know radar

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and all sorts of things and you

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heath because i did a deep dive on this

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channel with dr david clark a few months

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back and it was all from the british

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perspective and we're going to jump into

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it from the u.s perspective which is

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amazing so we're kind of covering all

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so yeah i'm looking forward to that man

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but i thought what we'd do to start off

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language coming out at the moment with

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the iaa and the ndaa so i just wondered

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just wondered how you feel everything's

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this year maybe compared to last year

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and is it all going in the right

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uh for me so so far so good you know um

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the the one thing that that sticks out

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um that's quite a bit different from

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because i've looked into you know

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previous congressional inquiries like in

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the 60s and and all that and how

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basically congress kind of got hosed a

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bit you know it all came they wanted to

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do open hearings gerald ford was

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president for open hearings in 66 and

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that's what he really wanted but the air

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force kind of talked him into you know

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getting these scientists on board and

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scientists on board and doing a study

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through which you know we know as the

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condom report which wound up being a

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huge stud you know and but in the

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paperwork they're like well at least

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it's something so we're looking forward

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to this report you know and it's like

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you know

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uh but what this what i really like is

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uh it seems like congress isn't gonna

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take that you know like um because they

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were put airborne in the title of of the

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group completely leaving out um

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aerospace and transmedium

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but they're not taking it you know

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they're like no and they're stepping up

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the language even more they're saying

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hey we gotta look back to um january

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and you actually have to do it you know

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um and we have to get all these people

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which i think is is great there is

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um so hopefully it continues to go that

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if you're like me sometimes you you get

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a little short on patience right you're

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like oh man now we got to wait till

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december or whatever for this to get

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into motion and play but you know in the

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background too that things are happening

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like this stuff doesn't just happen out

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in order like they're just sitting

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around and thinking about what kind of i

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don't know what should we do with ufos

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this year you know there's stuff

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happening in the background that is uh

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helping write this language

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um and

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to be honest you have to be somewhat of

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a fool to think that you know compelling

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information isn't being

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um communicated or or shown

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um behind closed doors that instigate

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stuff like this because what they're

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doing is very strong it's very strong

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and you don't see anyone really coming

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out against it you know you don't

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see it in what is a very uh political

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world we live in these days

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you know you might get someone like this

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eventually but you're not getting a

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bunch of like democrats or republicans

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or whatever you're saying what a waste

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of time we got this going on this going

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time on the cfo language you know it's

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pretty incredible and that to me kind of

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further uh laments the fact that

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something is up

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you know and i'm glad

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um somebody is trying to do something

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about it you know yeah so yeah i agree

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completely and one thing i mean i've not

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done a deep dive on the the current

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language i'm actually going to do that

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tomorrow with with katie howland

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some people and one thing that's kind of

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struck me is that then

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it's not going to be another case of

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this time the public going to get are

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going to get a load more information

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it doesn't look that way it looks like

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they're opening more secure channels

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behind the scenes for

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people to come forward and talk without

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fear of repercussions so

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i think people still need to temper

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their expectations to a degree as far as

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what the public are going to hear but

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but just let it be known that

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things are happening and you know things

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yeah and let's be real for a second that

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kind of stinks right that there isn't

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something that's going to be like a

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public you know some sort of obvious

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our goal is to get this information and

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freaking tell you about it that stinks

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that that's not more of a

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maybe a lot of this stuff wouldn't

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prerogative right like if it was like

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we're gonna tell you about it there

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uh more of an effort to fight up against

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protect that and make sure everything's

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okay and if you know they're

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midair possible collisions and stuff

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gotta take care of that make sure that

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everything is communicated properly so

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safety is taken care of then at that

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people about the things you're starting

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to find

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yeah completely agree and for anybody

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that hasn't watched it yet go over to

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sean's channel the links below and check

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out the conversation him and jay had

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with christopher sharp and casey holland

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um it's fascinating and they really do

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go into quite a lot of information and

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details on on the language

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um but let's not join let's not stick on

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that too long i'm just going to give a

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quick shout out here to my boy benji

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thank you so much for the 4.99 donation

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dude two of the best in the business hey

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we do what we do and we we do our best

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that's that's all we can do so

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i appreciate that benji thank you so

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much man um

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just quickly touch upon is

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the announcement of travis taylor as

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chief scientist of the uap task force so

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it kind of came out of left field a

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little bit and obviously a bit of

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controversy came along with that

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i'll just say straight away to me

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well i guess so you know we shouldn't

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expect anything else but for me

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personally

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see a conflict of interest with his work

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walker ranch but that's just me i'd be

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more interested just to see what your

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travis taylor i think he seems like a

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good guy he's obviously brilliant um

283
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and i think he takes things um with you

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know i think he does things the correct

285
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way right he's not committing to

286
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anything just because he's on ancient

287
00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:08,560
aliens doesn't mean he's coming out and

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saying these things are for sure ufos

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and their aliens from zeta reticuli or

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they're all coming from this you know

291
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place in skinwalker ranch to help a show

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like there's nothing

293
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you know he's

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saying i don't know

295
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you know and and what else

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do you want from somebody that's looking

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at something honestly that's recorded

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with multiple sensors that doesn't fit

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within the prosaic realm of technology

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that we ever technology that's uh owned

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by foreign country that they know of

302
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they honestly he honestly doesn't know

303
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you know and so he's telling you the

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truth

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um

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and you know let's be frank a lot of

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people like uh

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ancient aliens maybe you know and i've

309
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even said this before but a lot of

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people in the community don't care for

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ancient aliens because of

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you know it um

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goes off the road a little bit with some

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of the theories but um

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you know

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if you watch it

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they're never saying that's

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what

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reality is

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they're just having

321
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people try to expand their mind to think

322
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of different things that could be you

323
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know and they're always saying

324
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you know they're they're never saying

325
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this is fact you know aliens built the

326
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pyramids they're like could it be you

327
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know if you want to have any chance at

328
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fathoming any of this stuff at all you

329
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have to start asking yourself could it

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be

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you know i had a conversation with a

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good friend of mine the other night at

333
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dinner

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and you know i'm always afraid to talk

335
00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:39,040
about what i do with with people that

336
00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:40,720
aren't into this but you know they bring

337
00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:42,560
it up and they're super respectful about

338
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it you know and they actually said you

339
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know yeah you know

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honestly i've actually watched itching

341
00:11:51,509 --> 00:11:49,839
aliens before

342
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i like it

343
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and i'm like well they you know and i'm

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kind of even fighting back well they

345
00:11:58,310 --> 00:11:56,160
kind of have some crazy theories

346
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sometimes he goes yeah but they're never

347
00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:00,079
saying this is what it is they're just

348
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mentioning a lot of facts about history

349
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and a lot of different unique things i'm

350
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like yeah but regardless of that

351
00:12:08,949 --> 00:12:07,519
skinwalker ranch like

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people are allowed

353
00:12:13,030 --> 00:12:10,959
to do different things with their

354
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personal life and we don't have to you

355
00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:15,920
know judge everything that they do

356
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the guys work for

357
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i think it was a dod or something since

358
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he was a teenager

359
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right

360
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um i forget it was like two phds three

361
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masters something i can't keep up but

362
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the guy is obviously brilliant you know

363
00:12:35,110 --> 00:12:32,639
he's he's obviously a very smart person

364
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and they he's even said it like

365
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they didn't hire him because he was on

366
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ancient aliens you know that wasn't on

367
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the resume that he turned in

368
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you know they brought him in because of

369
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his educational background and obviously

370
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how brilliant he is with this stuff

371
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so

372
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um

373
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i'm all for it until proven otherwise

374
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you know i think it's wrong to

375
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to make a negative judgment towards

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somebody without seeing anything

377
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you know that that's negative and just

378
00:13:05,269 --> 00:13:03,360
starting out that way i think everybody

379
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deserves a chance and he's definitely

380
00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:06,959
putting time and effort in to get that

381
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chance and

382
00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:10,240
you know what i can't without seeing his

383
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work i can't really say anything else

384
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:13,360
and even if i did see it what am i gonna

385
00:13:16,949 --> 00:13:15,600
say i'm not an aeronautical engineer

386
00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:16,959
um but

387
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um you know my instinct is i like the

388
00:13:22,550 --> 00:13:21,040
guy and he seems like a good dude so i'm

389
00:13:24,310 --> 00:13:22,560
all for giving him a chance and giving

390
00:13:26,550 --> 00:13:24,320
him the the benefit of the doubt i like

391
00:13:29,430 --> 00:13:26,560
watching him on skinwalker ranch too i

392
00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:29,440
think he brings a great um

393
00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:31,120
scientific perspective to everything and

394
00:13:36,470 --> 00:13:32,720
he tries to do that the correct way as

395
00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:36,480
well he's not going in there saying

396
00:13:39,189 --> 00:13:37,760
you know

397
00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:39,199
there's grizzly bears coming out of

398
00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:40,480
portals

399
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i swear to god you know he's just saying

400
00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:45,279
these are the things we're measuring and

401
00:13:48,870 --> 00:13:47,360
this could be what's possible you know

402
00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,880
we don't know but that's why we have to

403
00:13:53,030 --> 00:13:50,320
continue to study it and that's what

404
00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:53,040
this whole thing is about is we don't

405
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:55,760
know so we have to continue to study it

406
00:13:58,389 --> 00:13:57,360
you know and that's the mindset that we

407
00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:58,399
need

408
00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:00,000
and it's it's other people that keep

409
00:14:04,550 --> 00:14:02,880
using things like aliens or you know

410
00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:04,560
other

411
00:14:08,710 --> 00:14:07,040
things that they think uh would uh

412
00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:08,720
diminish the

413
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:11,600
um respectability of the topic you know

414
00:14:15,030 --> 00:14:13,120
they keep using that to try to bring

415
00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:15,040
this down or make it seem goofy but

416
00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:16,959
they're not going to win you know

417
00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:20,000
an unidentified odd playing object or

418
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:21,920
aerial phenomenon is called that because

419
00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:23,839
it's unidentified you know if we thought

420
00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:25,600
it was alien we it wouldn't be

421
00:14:29,189 --> 00:14:27,519
unidentified you know

422
00:14:31,350 --> 00:14:29,199
so i don't know that's kind of a

423
00:14:34,470 --> 00:14:31,360
long-winded answer but i'm i'm down with

424
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:34,480
travis until proven otherwise sir so

425
00:14:38,550 --> 00:14:36,560
that's how i roll

426
00:14:41,509 --> 00:14:38,560
awesome man i agree i couldn't agree

427
00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:41,519
more in fact i think it is a case of

428
00:14:44,389 --> 00:14:43,199
especially whether you're saying ufos

429
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,399
and uap

430
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:46,959
especially in a conversation with

431
00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:49,120
on twitter for example where

432
00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:50,639
it's difficult to get your point across

433
00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:51,440
with

434
00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:52,880
you know limited characters and the

435
00:14:58,150 --> 00:14:56,079
nuance is not picked up picked up on

436
00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,160
correctly a lot of the time and people

437
00:15:02,230 --> 00:14:59,920
do just think if you're talking about

438
00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,240
ufos and that that it is aliens that

439
00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:04,079
you're talking about and it's

440
00:15:07,829 --> 00:15:06,399
i mean i hate the word aliens i don't

441
00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:07,839
use it

442
00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:10,160
it's it's just it's not

443
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:11,600
yeah so

444
00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:13,519
yeah we have we have immigrants from all

445
00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:15,360
over the world in these spaceships

446
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:17,839
flying around the country

447
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:21,120
aliens from mexico aliens from

448
00:15:25,829 --> 00:15:24,240
canada all over the place

449
00:15:28,710 --> 00:15:25,839
you know

450
00:15:31,189 --> 00:15:28,720
no but yeah i mean and it's these words

451
00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:31,199
that are used to pigeonhole things right

452
00:15:35,110 --> 00:15:32,639
like let's be honest like things are

453
00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:35,120
more complicated than we think right

454
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:37,120
yeah um and

455
00:15:41,269 --> 00:15:38,880
and you're only gonna shoot yourself in

456
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:41,279
the foot by sticking to like one word

457
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:43,199
like that for for what something could

458
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,519
possibly be that you barely understand

459
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,720
you know

460
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:48,399
yeah totally

461
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,320
so i appreciate that man but look we're

462
00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:52,480
here to jump into some cases so i think

463
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:54,560
we should just do that straight away and

464
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:57,040
we are going to start off with the 1956

465
00:16:01,509 --> 00:15:59,440
lake and heath ben waters case um that

466
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:01,519
was a joint operation between the royal

467
00:16:06,389 --> 00:16:04,639
air force over here and the us air force

468
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:06,399
um and it was around

469
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:08,800
i think it was two or three bases if i'm

470
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:10,480
correct if i can remember and that was

471
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:13,120
obviously raf lakenheath raf bent wars

472
00:16:16,949 --> 00:16:14,240
and i think there was another one

473
00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:16,959
involved as well uh possibly

474
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,240
but um

475
00:16:22,069 --> 00:16:20,000
are you in the right place are you at

476
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:22,079
the right place i can share the screen

477
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:23,920
and then i'll let you uh let you jump

478
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,240
straight into what you've come up with

479
00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:28,720
sure yeah there we go well yeah you're

480
00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:31,279
right there there were three areas that

481
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,920
um picked this stuff up on radar and i

482
00:16:37,749 --> 00:16:36,000
thought what i could start with is this

483
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:37,759
uh sighting letter

484
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:39,519
that was written by a united states air

485
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,880
force uh retired um person

486
00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:44,880
um i don't have the information of who

487
00:16:48,470 --> 00:16:47,120
that is in here unfortunately

488
00:16:50,949 --> 00:16:48,480
um

489
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:50,959
but it it really

490
00:16:57,430 --> 00:16:54,399
gives a good um take on what happened on

491
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,440
august 13 1956

492
00:17:01,670 --> 00:16:59,680
and so it starts just with credentials

493
00:17:04,390 --> 00:17:01,680
i'm retired 20 years service

494
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:04,400
um 1967 from the usaf i've placed my

495
00:17:06,870 --> 00:17:05,839
name rank serial number at the top of

496
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,880
the page if you want to check

497
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:08,880
authenticity it's an air traffic

498
00:17:15,110 --> 00:17:11,039
controller throughout uh service career

499
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,120
and utilized radar for the last 16 years

500
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,120
um in the control of air traffic i won't

501
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:19,919
bother listening the types blah blah so

502
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,199
um

503
00:17:24,470 --> 00:17:22,720
if you go to

504
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:24,480
what i'm going to go to

505
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:25,360
is

506
00:17:35,830 --> 00:17:33,760
multiple sighting reports um one siding

507
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,840
was on radar was clocked at 4 000 miles

508
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:37,280
per hour

509
00:17:44,230 --> 00:17:42,320
yeah

510
00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:44,240
so i'm going to get to

511
00:17:50,230 --> 00:17:46,400
kind of um

512
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:50,240
i guess you could say the juicy parts

513
00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:51,440
so

514
00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:54,080
yeah they sent interceptors after

515
00:17:59,029 --> 00:17:57,120
and this is about 9 30 10 p.m

516
00:18:00,789 --> 00:17:59,039
and they sent interceptors after these

517
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:00,799
ufos so i'm just going to start in the

518
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,799
first paragraph i also hooked in my

519
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,799
local air force base commanding officer

520
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:06,480
my unit

521
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,919
commander on my switchboard and there

522
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,760
could have been others hooked in also

523
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:11,440
that i was not aware of i repeated all

524
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,640
the facts known to this point and

525
00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:14,160
continued to give a detailed report on

526
00:18:18,710 --> 00:18:16,480
the target's movements and location

527
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,720
the target made several changes in

528
00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:20,240
location

529
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,760
always in a straight line always at

530
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:23,840
about 600 miles per hour and always from

531
00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:26,559
a standing or stationary point

532
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,640
to his next stop at a constant speed so

533
00:18:33,350 --> 00:18:30,559
we have hovering there

534
00:18:34,789 --> 00:18:33,360
and uh no build up in speed at all these

535
00:18:36,630 --> 00:18:34,799
changes in location varied from eight

536
00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:36,640
miles to 20 miles in length so it's

537
00:18:39,669 --> 00:18:38,320
dropping out popping up somewhere else

538
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,679
what does that remind you of david

539
00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:41,919
fravor's account tic tac and it sounds

540
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,120
like there's some instantaneous

541
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,039
acceleration there if it's

542
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:46,720
just a constant speed

543
00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:48,799
yeah and no thruster build up right

544
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:51,440
going from zero to 600 like that

545
00:18:57,029 --> 00:18:55,360
um so that's definitely an observable

546
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,039
so

547
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,200
after he says after i imagine about 30

548
00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,120
to 45 minutes it was decided to scramble

549
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,679
two raf interceptors to investigate this

550
00:19:06,950 --> 00:19:05,200
was done i believe by the third air

551
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,960
force

552
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:08,080
um

553
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,840
skipping to the third paragraph we miss

554
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:11,520
we immediately issued headings to the

555
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,720
interceptor to guide him to the ufo

556
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:17,120
so they see this ufo they're trying to

557
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,480
you know have them intercept it they're

558
00:19:21,750 --> 00:19:20,080
telling them where it is the ufo remains

559
00:19:23,350 --> 00:19:21,760
stationary it's hovering

560
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,360
uh this vectoring of the intercept

561
00:19:26,710 --> 00:19:24,960
aircraft continued we continually gave

562
00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:26,720
the intercept aircraft his heading to

563
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:28,960
the ufo and his distance

564
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:30,880
from the ufo at approximately one to two

565
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:33,360
mile intervals shortly after we told the

566
00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:35,360
intercept aircraft he was one half mile

567
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:37,919
from the ufo and it was uh 12 o'clock

568
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,840
from his position he said roger lake and

569
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,280
heath i've got my guns locked on him

570
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:45,679
then he paused and said

571
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,240
where did he go

572
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,000
do you still have him we were glad roger

573
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,480
had appeared it he got behind you and

574
00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:54,799
he's still there there were now two

575
00:20:00,230 --> 00:19:57,600
targets one behind the other same speed

576
00:20:01,350 --> 00:20:00,240
very close but two separate distinct

577
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,360
targets

578
00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:02,960
so to me

579
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,159
i mean

580
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,919
you could start to say is this thing

581
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:07,840
psychic how did it know to move and get

582
00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:09,760
behind him right when he locked on with

583
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:12,240
his gun radar you know

584
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,960
um he's ready to shoot at this thing

585
00:20:19,669 --> 00:20:17,440
and that's immediately when it decides

586
00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:19,679
to get behind him that's pretty intense

587
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,640
to me

588
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:22,640
uh the it goes on to say the first

589
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,320
movement by the ufo was so swift

590
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,559
circling behind the interceptor

591
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,039
missed it entirely but it was seen by

592
00:20:32,230 --> 00:20:30,720
the other controllers however the fact

593
00:20:34,710 --> 00:20:32,240
that this had occurred was confirmed by

594
00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,720
the pilot of the interceptor the pilot

595
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:36,559
of the interceptor told us he would try

596
00:20:41,590 --> 00:20:39,600
to shake the ufo and would try it again

597
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,600
he tried everything he climbed dives

598
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:44,000
circled etc but the ufo acted like it

599
00:20:47,669 --> 00:20:45,760
was glued right behind him

600
00:20:51,270 --> 00:20:47,679
always the same distance very close but

601
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,280
we always had two distinct targets

602
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,039
um

603
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:55,120
between about 200 600 feet probably

604
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,400
closer

605
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:57,919
than that we would have gotten one

606
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,480
target both aircraft and ufo okay so it

607
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,120
goes on some logistics there

608
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:04,320
um

609
00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:06,720
then this gets very interesting it gets

610
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,000
to the

611
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,159
uh emotional aspects of it the

612
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,080
interceptor pilot continued to try and

613
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,799
shake the ufo for about 10 minutes

614
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:16,960
approximate to seem longer uh both to

615
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,120
him and us and you know if anyone's had

616
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,440
a ufo sighting that is how it feels it

617
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:23,360
goes by so fast but it feels like it

618
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:25,200
happens in slow motion so i found that

619
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,640
interesting

620
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:28,960
but he continued to comment occasionally

621
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,200
and we could tell from the tonal quality

622
00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,080
he was getting worried excited

623
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:38,710
uh

624
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:46,880
said he was gonna return he was running

625
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,720
out of gas basically and that's in this

626
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,880
paragraph here paragraph three and

627
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,799
things started fading away and isn't

628
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,559
that interesting he goes on the

629
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:56,480
intercept

630
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,840
did things like okay forget it then

631
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:03,039
like

632
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,720
oh what the heck

633
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,679
so

634
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:07,440
it's a very uh

635
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:09,120
interesting case you have instantaneous

636
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:12,880
acceleration possible um

637
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:15,360
psychic aspect going on there

638
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,039
um and a later in this report um

639
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,880
and i forget where it is again here in

640
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,240
this report i didn't write it down

641
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,559
unfortunately but is it his engines

642
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:27,440
started malfunctioning

643
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:29,600
and you have radar pickup and you

644
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,000
actually have visual pickup as well

645
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:34,559
um and i'm going to get to that so i'll

646
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:36,400
just quickly go through these things you

647
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:38,559
got any questions so far

648
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:40,159
you know i'm just it's it's bringing

649
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
about memories from when i covered the

650
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:43,039
case with david clarke from the uk

651
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,880
perspective um

652
00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:46,320
you know there were people all over the

653
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:47,760
base while these intercepts were

654
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,080
happening listening in in the the little

655
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,080
room where the pilots gather

656
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:54,240
they were all listening in to you know

657
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,440
because they could

658
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:57,600
hear the tone in his voice of everything

659
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,039
that was happening and

660
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:01,840
um yeah for anyone that again hasn't

661
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:04,400
seen that go back because we play uh

662
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,080
some recordings of these people being

663
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,000
interviewed i think the interviews were

664
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,840
done about 20 years ago because remember

665
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,000
this is from the 50s so

666
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:14,000
yeah for context i'd go back and listen

667
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:15,440
to them for anyone that's interested in

668
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:16,640
the case because it really is

669
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,919
fascinating

670
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:19,200
amazing

671
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,480
um

672
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:22,480
the next thing i wanted to hit on just a

673
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
little bit is this point number eight

674
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,000
here and it's by a dr whipple who

675
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,720
actually years prior suggested he's was

676
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,039
with john hopkins university and he

677
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,760
actually suggested um and this is i

678
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,159
believe it's a cia document where he

679
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,240
suggested a sky patrol

680
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:39,919
where there's cameras all over the place

681
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,360
trying to pick up these things in kind

682
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,840
of the more hot spot areas

683
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,200
and

684
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,520
so dr whible is in on this case here he

685
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,600
stated that as far as the report at hand

686
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:51,039
is concerned no obvious physical

687
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,520
solution is suggested he deplored the

688
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:56,159
inadequacy of the typical ufo report as

689
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,400
a scientific document he further stated

690
00:24:02,470 --> 00:24:00,480
that the nature of such reports is not

691
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:02,480
likely to change and urge that if the

692
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:04,559
air force was serious in its attempts to

693
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,039
resolve this problem both scientifically

694
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:08,880
and in the public mind that the air

695
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:12,080
force do more than continue its passive

696
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,760
investigational attitudes

697
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:16,840
wow

698
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,799
so i i found that uh pretty strong

699
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:24,799
pretty strong words by mr whipple who

700
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,520
wasn't really a believer in ufos either

701
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,520
but he did believe in in the scientific

702
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:31,679
method and figuring things out and yeah

703
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,240
that this is obviously an issue

704
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,240
um just real quick there's there's a

705
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:39,440
couple of like uh one sheets here as far

706
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:41,279
as you know the things some of the

707
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,880
things that happened

708
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,080
uh

709
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,120
this page is extremely interesting to me

710
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:48,799
because in the end

711
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:50,960
um the united states air force said that

712
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:53,279
this was this whole case was anomalous

713
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,039
propagation so radar malfunction

714
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:59,919
and um the pilot seeing the visual was

715
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,400
because they saw mars

716
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:04,000
all this is happening

717
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:05,840
because somebody saw mars and the

718
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,600
radar's malfunctioning

719
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,240
um well right here you can see i don't

720
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,480
know if you can see my cursor here but

721
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,200
yeah okay the second paragraph here the

722
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:17,279
gca operators making these radar

723
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:19,279
sightings were of the opinion the

724
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,679
malfunctions of the gca equipment did

725
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:23,919
not cause the radar settings so the

726
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,360
people that actually work this stuff say

727
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,840
know these things were working and

728
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:31,919
further in this report you could see

729
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,679
that they actually did checks

730
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:35,120
you know to make sure that everything

731
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,520
was working properly and in fact that

732
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:39,120
was the case

733
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,400
so

734
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,080
um it's always interesting to me and

735
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:44,640
when the people who aren't working

736
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,919
this equipment

737
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,840
and aren't as used to working this

738
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:49,279
equipment

739
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:51,279
you know try to tell the operators what

740
00:25:53,990 --> 00:25:52,480
the deal is

741
00:25:55,909 --> 00:25:54,000
yeah didn't you say the operator at the

742
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:55,919
start he'd worked there on them for 16

743
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,320
years as well

744
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,919
yeah

745
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:02,960
and then here you can see um speed

746
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,480
estimated at more than 4 000 miles per

747
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:08,240
hour

748
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:09,120
so

749
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,080
there's multiple tracked a third ufo b

750
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,159
which is what they called them uh ufob

751
00:26:20,470 --> 00:26:17,279
at this time was reported uh

752
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,480
as tracked by bentwaters

753
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:22,320
so

754
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,159
and then you've got and heath radar and

755
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:25,919
ben waters radar picking them up so it's

756
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:28,240
not just one raider so it can't be just

757
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,480
one radar gone wrong

758
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:31,679
no yeah

759
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,039
you've got two separate air bases

760
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,200
picking them up then come on and if we

761
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:37,840
scroll up here a little bit

762
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,559
i'll go back up here for a second uh in

763
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,279
this letter he actually talks about a

764
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,559
third

765
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,440
that picked it up and the name is just

766
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:49,520
eluding me it starts with an s oh here

767
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,559
it is

768
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,320
skullthorpe

769
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,760
okay yeah

770
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,679
yeah so and then there's other

771
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,400
interesting things here

772
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:01,840
so he writes a little drawing of stuff

773
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,120
i'm not a radar operator but

774
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,120
well i believe we had one in the chat

775
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:09,120
earlier mr christian thompson worked on

776
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,240
radar

777
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:11,760
the danish because yeah are you there of

778
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,720
course christian i might be wrong

779
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,039
so maybe he understands him

780
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:20,559
so yeah that's a group of 12 to 15 ufo

781
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,159
bees from uh 0.8 southwest eight miles

782
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:25,919
southwest of bentwaters to approximately

783
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,000
40 to 45 miles northeast of bend waters

784
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:31,440
it's interesting how they're going at a

785
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,960
speed to 80 125 miles an hour

786
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,159
right

787
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,919
interesting

788
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,000
and then up to 4 000 miles per hour

789
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,399
that's uh i think

790
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,240
that's what you call

791
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:45,919
what's the word

792
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,039
uh an observable

793
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,640
yeah

794
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,559
i mean it's 1956

795
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,640
you know i mean it just says it already

796
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:56,000
doesn't it i mean

797
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:56,960
yeah

798
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,600
i think so

799
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,640
nothing was 1000

800
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,799
there were people in the uk that

801
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,760
just passed it off as balloons again

802
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,520
that the reason why the interceptors

803
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,799
couldn't get past them is just because

804
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,480
the balloons were moving in the wind and

805
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:14,799
that but that doesn't account for radar

806
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,960
or anything like that so

807
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,840
no

808
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:19,760
it just doesn't make sense

809
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:23,440
yeah and balloons are going to

810
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,919
you know be stationary

811
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:27,919
and then all of a sudden they're going

812
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,600
600 miles per hour

813
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,080
yeah and disappear and pop up 20 miles

814
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,640
uh somewhere else on the radar yeah

815
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,000
exactly so

816
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:37,520
here on this page you get a little bit

817
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,960
of the visual sighting uh indicated

818
00:28:44,149 --> 00:28:42,640
sergeant indicated that his attention

819
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:44,159
was first called to the object by his

820
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,279
position size and unusual color

821
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,159
he was also aware that the bentwater's

822
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:52,159
gca was tracking unidentified flying

823
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,240
objects by radar at this time he

824
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,720
described the object as spherical and

825
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,399
the size of a pin

826
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,720
held at arm's length

827
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,120
uh he cited only one object which was

828
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:05,120
described as amber color when first

829
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,720
observed later changing to bluish white

830
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,600
so

831
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:11,039
um

832
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,799
yeah

833
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:15,440
and here we say the object was inside

834
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,440
for approximately one hour during which

835
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,240
time it intermittently uh disappeared

836
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,120
and reappeared just like mars mars does

837
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:25,520
that right yeah mars is blue isn't it

838
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:28,399
and bluish white sometimes come on

839
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,760
it disappears and reappears all the time

840
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:34,399
it's a big mers quality right there so

841
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,389
so here we see the sergeant the second

842
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:42,240
paragraph sergeant stated that the 12 to

843
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:44,799
15 unidentified objects were preceded by

844
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,679
three objects which were in a triangular

845
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,880
formation

846
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,559
with an estimated

847
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:52,720
thousand feet separating each object in

848
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,640
this formation

849
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:55,760
um

850
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,360
yeah so

851
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,760
it's just a little rundown of uh the

852
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,760
different sighting so there's three all

853
00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,080
together i believe the 12

854
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,039
to 15 objects

855
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,640
actually

856
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,240
uh

857
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,080
so those were seen and then they all

858
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,360
formed it into one bigger object

859
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:19,750
could you imagine that

860
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:23,840
uh those are some crazy balloons

861
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,159
just melting right into each other

862
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,039
so i mean that's the gist of it

863
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:31,200
yeah nice and these are blue book files

864
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:32,000
right

865
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,240
book

866
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:37,919
fell under one of the

867
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:40,559
was it 700 cases that were not solved in

868
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,399
blue book that kind of just got you know

869
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,559
ignored at the end no

870
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,679
well

871
00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:48,559
blue book said this one was

872
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,520
um anomalous propagation

873
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,960
that was their final report on this case

874
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:56,960
wow

875
00:31:02,389 --> 00:31:00,159
so you have visual iden

876
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,399
you've seen it visually

877
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,760
you're seeing it on three different

878
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,519
radars

879
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,120
um

880
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:10,240
you're vectoring people into it

881
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:13,840
it's disappearing reappearing

882
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:16,840
it's chasing the

883
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,679
interceptor and

884
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,159
anomalous propagation

885
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,240
wow you know and

886
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,240
you know i was uh

887
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,919
read a recent article by um

888
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,840
that

889
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,880
um uh

890
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:36,000
ryan graves contributed towards uh where

891
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,600
he was talking about not getting any

892
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,880
feedback

893
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,840
from authorities on their reports they

894
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:45,360
send in a report they don't get any

895
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:47,919
feedback on it you know and a part of

896
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,720
this case that stuck out to me

897
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:53,120
was the fact that this person who wrote

898
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:54,640
the letter

899
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,440
mentioned how when he submitted this

900
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,279
information of the sighting he never

901
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,919
heard a dang thing about it again

902
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,519
you know

903
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:04,880
so

904
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:07,039
we have

905
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,080
uh 70 years you know of

906
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,320
people submitting reports

907
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,799
this person this interceptor pilot was

908
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,880
was afraid

909
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,120
you know for his life

910
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:20,880
and they don't hear a

911
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,440
darn thing about it again you know

912
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:26,000
yeah nothing like hey how you doing

913
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:27,279
you know

914
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:28,410
are you okay

915
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,320
[Laughter]

916
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,480
you know i'll be a star wouldn't it

917
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,640
and the thing is

918
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,600
we

919
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,440
in you know in other pages of this

920
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:39,279
report

921
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:40,840
you can

922
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:45,360
hear they don't want to tell the public

923
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,360
that they don't know what it is

924
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,559
yeah

925
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,760
you know and that's what this whole

926
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,919
thing is about is unfortunately a lot of

927
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,039
this is

928
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:55,519
a lot of the report is just like like

929
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,480
this

930
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:58,559
you know like you can barely read it or

931
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,679
like

932
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:01,679
it's it's really too bad

933
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:03,760
but in these little sections there are

934
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,519
little sections where you can read how

935
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:09,120
you know ufo societies and other

936
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,440
publicity artists would make of such an

937
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:13,279
incident it is therefore of great

938
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,039
importance that you know they're they're

939
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,880
so concerned

940
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:19,039
with looking bad that's their only

941
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,279
concern is looking bad

942
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:24,000
and that's from dr heineck as well man

943
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,799
yeah

944
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,679
wow see right here point 11. the lincoln

945
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,600
heath report could constitute a source

946
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,519
of embarrassment to the air force and

947
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
should the facts as so far reported get

948
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,080
into the public domain it is not

949
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,640
necessary to point out what uh what

950
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,880
excellent use the several dozen

951
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:42,320
i don't know

952
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:43,840
what it says after that unfortunately

953
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:44,880
wow

954
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,559
i mean that first bit says enough really

955
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:51,360
jesus why would anomalous propagation be

956
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,480
embarrassing

957
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:53,440
yeah

958
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:58,870
and that's that's wild that's absolutely

959
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,360
wild it's too bad really

960
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,799
i've gotta bring this comment up i've

961
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,440
just seen it from jay

962
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,960
i feel like i just walked in on my

963
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:08,639
girlfriend hanging out with some hot guy

964
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:12,079
with a grey accent

965
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,440
oh jay

966
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:14,639
don't be sad

967
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,790
we can share come on

968
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,119
cheering is caring

969
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:25,040
so um yeah

970
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:26,480
did you have any other cases that you

971
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,639
think we could we could look over at all

972
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,960
anything that you've covered before

973
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,119
anything from the 60s maybe i'm happy to

974
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,560
stick with the 50s 60s um i do have

975
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,599
something

976
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,879
um pretty interesting actually let's see

977
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,960
if i can

978
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,200
um bring it up here

979
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,800
one thing i will just say about that the

980
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,639
lake in heath benwall's case is that in

981
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,359
the british national archives there a

982
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:53,520
lot of the documentation for that case

983
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,800
was destroyed so some decades ago so

984
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,880
there is some stuff remaining but a lot

985
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,880
of it genuinely was destroyed which is

986
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:03,200
really really unfortunate

987
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:04,480
because that might have given us some

988
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,599
some really

989
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:08,240
good weight weight of data as well

990
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,680
yeah and that is really too bad

991
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,320
that is awful

992
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,079
yeah that's fine that's just the way

993
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,440
they've done it over here there's you

994
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,520
know a massive percentage of of the

995
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,839
older case documents have genuinely just

996
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:23,359
been destroyed

997
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,520
which is uh awful yeah

998
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:27,440
yeah because uh

999
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:28,240
you know

1000
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,599
i think it's

1001
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:32,000
still underestimated um

1002
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,520
how

1003
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,400
important those could be

1004
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,800
especially now you know and we're

1005
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,800
looking at this stuff and

1006
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,480
here's kind of this document i'm going

1007
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,310
it hits on that point a little bit so

1008
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,960
this is actually an fbi document

1009
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,320
okay

1010
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,560
so this is more of uh

1011
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,560
administrative document it's dated july

1012
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,119
29 1952

1013
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,960
and this is a really good one and i was

1014
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,640
going to save it for my show but i'm

1015
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,790
but uh

1016
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,240
so it's a memorandum um from

1017
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,119
k here to mont or whatever subject

1018
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:15,760
flying saucers now keep in mind july 29

1019
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,760
1952 is like washington dc sightings

1020
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,040
yeah like this has just happened right

1021
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,960
so we have purpose to advise at the

1022
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,640
present time that the air force has

1023
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,440
failed to arrive at any satisfactory

1024
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,599
conclusion in its research regarding

1025
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,599
numerous reports of flying saucers and

1026
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,240
flying discs cited throughout the united

1027
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,320
states

1028
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:41,280
in the details mr n.w philcox the

1029
00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:43,760
bureau's air force liaison rep made

1030
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:46,079
arrangements through the office of major

1031
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:47,440
general

1032
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,680
uh john a sanford

1033
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,680
of the air force

1034
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,920
uh director of air intelligence u.s air

1035
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,000
force to receive a briefing from

1036
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,320
commander randall boyd

1037
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,480
of the current intelligence branch so

1038
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,400
this guy's going to get he got approved

1039
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,400
through samford to get a briefing by

1040
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:06,400
this randall boyd

1041
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:08,000
in the estimates division air

1042
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,599
intelligence regarding the present

1043
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,560
status of air force

1044
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:14,960
research air intelligence research into

1045
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:17,599
the numerous ufo reports blank saucers

1046
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,599
or whatever you want to call blank discs

1047
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,800
at the time they call them

1048
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,960
so this is a kicker

1049
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,200
commander boyd advised that air

1050
00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:29,280
intelligence has set up at

1051
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:31,520
wright-patterson air force base ohio the

1052
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,760
air technical intelligence center which

1053
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,440
has been established for the purpose of

1054
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,880
coordinating correlating and making

1055
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:38,560
research into all reports regarding

1056
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,079
flying saucers and disks he advised

1057
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,200
that air force research has indicated

1058
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:47,680
that the sightings of flying saucers

1059
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:51,200
goes back several centuries

1060
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:52,800
and that the number of sightings

1061
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,880
reported varies with the amount of

1062
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:56,240
publicity

1063
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:00,960
appears in newspapers that the number of

1064
00:38:05,030 --> 00:38:02,839
sightings reported increases

1065
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:05,040
considerably and that people start

1066
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,240
calling in

1067
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,480
um with their sightings several months

1068
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,079
that they had that they had several

1069
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,320
months previously commander boyd stated

1070
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,160
that these reported sightings of flying

1071
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,760
saucers are placed in the three

1072
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,440
classifications so they went into the

1073
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,520
different classifications but the main

1074
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,040
point here is

1075
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,800
air force research has indicated

1076
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,359
that sightings of flying saucers goes

1077
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,560
back

1078
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,040
several centuries

1079
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:33,920
that's crazy how do you research several

1080
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:37,200
centuries worth of sightings

1081
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:38,480
um

1082
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,839
well

1083
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:41,520
you got to read the old books i guess

1084
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,280
and stuff right

1085
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,480
like

1086
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:46,720
jack valet did did some research into

1087
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,680
that

1088
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,839
and there are some um

1089
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,280
in some blue other blue book

1090
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:53,839
administrative paperwork um

1091
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,800
they use uh valet's stuff

1092
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,720
in some of his research in the sightings

1093
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:01,119
back in the 1800s and stuff and actually

1094
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:03,440
do like um

1095
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,440
like a like a graph basically um

1096
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,800
and mark

1097
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,640
influx of sightings and decreases and

1098
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,880
stuff going back to the 1800s so and

1099
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,119
that's from anatomy of a phenomenon i

1100
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:16,800
believe they used for that

1101
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,599
right so um

1102
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,599
but so he's going there

1103
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,000
and whatever he's looking at

1104
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,640
it's it the person who's briefing him or

1105
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:28,800
whatever is telling them that these

1106
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,790
centuries but yet

1107
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,480
so

1108
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:38,800
were the sightings back then responsible

1109
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,480
for anomalous radar propagation

1110
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:44,160
it's a great point here by robert coford

1111
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,000
maybe from the vatican

1112
00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:48,000
certainly a good idea good air good

1113
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,160
possibility yeah and another thing that

1114
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,160
really stands out in these old cases

1115
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:53,839
from both of the ones we just

1116
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,440
looked at is that there's so much data

1117
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,480
there

1118
00:40:01,589 --> 00:39:58,560
imagine if these cases happen now with

1119
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:01,599
the systems that we have i mean

1120
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,520
the amount of data that we'd get

1121
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,440
nowadays with the more high-tech

1122
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:07,440
equipment the age of six on the on the

1123
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:10,400
ships and things like that it would be

1124
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:11,680
through the roof

1125
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,319
and i'm sure they are right yes i'd

1126
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,720
imagine so but this is the thing we hear

1127
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,520
about it that they have this data and

1128
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,960
we just don't have it in the public

1129
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,280
domain uh and it does frustrate a lot of

1130
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,920
people i understand that it's sources

1131
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,240
and methods and things like that and but

1132
00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,680
i'm willing to play the long game on

1133
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,359
things like that you know as much as i

1134
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:33,520
want to see data probably more than

1135
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:35,359
videos sometimes

1136
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:37,520
yeah you have to understand it

1137
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:40,319
yeah but i mean what it is

1138
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,640
you know in the end

1139
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:44,160
i feel like no

1140
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,119
people

1141
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:46,640
unless they have their own experience

1142
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:49,440
some people just like you're not

1143
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:51,200
they're not going to believe it they're

1144
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,640
either gonna think

1145
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:54,400
uh somebody

1146
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,560
you know hoaxed the document no matter

1147
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,640
who tells them as it wasn't no matter

1148
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,880
who released it or they're gonna say

1149
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,119
that the video was doctored no matter

1150
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:05,520
who tells them it wasn't you know

1151
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,200
and if the government tells them it

1152
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,880
wasn't then the government's lying to

1153
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,960
him because they're

1154
00:41:13,829 --> 00:41:12,800
using a special weapon

1155
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,839
and

1156
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:16,000
you know they just want to put this out

1157
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,760
in the open like the whole thing i don't

1158
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:20,400
get about a special weapon is like

1159
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,280
or lou or whoever else being you know

1160
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,480
like uh

1161
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,880
misinformation or whatever like why

1162
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,240
would they come out and talk about it to

1163
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,560
begin with no one wants

1164
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,800
no one was so why would you put this in

1165
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,400
the spotlight

1166
00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,160
exactly i think it's a little more

1167
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,520
sneaky if you just don't say anything

1168
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,800
[Laughter]

1169
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:43,200
you think

1170
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,480
you know

1171
00:41:47,910 --> 00:41:46,560
so i don't know how many more

1172
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,920
documents you want to look at or

1173
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:50,000
whatever i put another one in there oh

1174
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,680
let's do it

1175
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,760
this one so the pacific

1176
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,520
uh there's so many sightings in the

1177
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:57,200
pacific if you just go to the blue book

1178
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,160
archive and search pacific you'll get

1179
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,599
over 200 some sighting reports which is

1180
00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:06,319
a lot um the number one state i don't

1181
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,520
know if you can guess in the united

1182
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,680
states for uh citing reports

1183
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,280
is uh

1184
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,760
ohio believe it or not

1185
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,560
with over a thousand yeah wow

1186
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,720
um but there's so many states that don't

1187
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:21,520
even get um to you know 80

1188
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:25,280
90 50 20 or whatever pacific 200 some

1189
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,319
but

1190
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,079
this one they evaluated as a weather

1191
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,079
phenomenon which by the way the radar

1192
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:32,800
operator here says it was not a radar

1193
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,079
it was not a weather phenomenon

1194
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,319
but check this out two large targets

1195
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:40,560
picked up on radar

1196
00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:43,040
one estimated to be five

1197
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:49,589
and the other two miles long

1198
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,599
targets about two to three miles apart

1199
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,920
held targets from 90 miles ahead of

1200
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,640
starboard oh 230 degree relative on

1201
00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,520
starboard operator side yeah

1202
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,880
wow

1203
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:05,829
so yeah

1204
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:08,079
you know that's pretty big

1205
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,880
but uh the radar operator states

1206
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:12,960
emphatically

1207
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,990
so

1208
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,599
what kind of weather phenomenon would go

1209
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:21,760
for five miles

1210
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,680
that's crazy i'm not sure might need

1211
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,319
31 000 feet

1212
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,640
i mean i

1213
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,640
that's why i was walking you know that's

1214
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,319
why you get hooked into these reports

1215
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,480
it's like holy crap

1216
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,560
you know what is this stuff

1217
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,160
um and then this is uh one that i uh

1218
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,960
shared i believe on

1219
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,880
uh twitter not too long ago so these are

1220
00:43:53,109 --> 00:43:49,520
just gonna be like quick little one

1221
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,119
yeah let's do it cheaters or whatever

1222
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,280
um this one

1223
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,359
yeah so this is off the coast of

1224
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,960
california

1225
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,560
in the pacific once again object

1226
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,480
blinking and in flight from horizon to

1227
00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:05,599
horizon in 20 seconds at speed of over

1228
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,720
10 000 miles per hour

1229
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,440
at low altitude does not conform with

1230
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,760
any known object or phenomena

1231
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,359
case regarded

1232
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,680
and unidentified

1233
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,680
so but here this is interesting

1234
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,839
[Music]

1235
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,839
um brilliant white flashing light at low

1236
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,680
position

1237
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:28,400
so i think later in here

1238
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,280
i've

1239
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:30,640
i read that

1240
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:33,119
oh maybe it wasn't this one

1241
00:44:38,870 --> 00:44:34,800
bright flashing white light you know

1242
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:40,309
is

1243
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,119
400

1244
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,000
uh blinks within a minute right oh from

1245
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,800
the from the russell the 2019. yeah so

1246
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,319
that made me start to

1247
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:54,240
start to look at some of these

1248
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:57,760
and one of them i couldn't get to

1249
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:59,839
i couldn't get that high i didn't find

1250
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:03,040
any of that high but i found one

1251
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:06,720
that blinked about 300 times per minute

1252
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,400
you know off the pacific in the same

1253
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,200
area so that's pretty interesting to me

1254
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,680
around the same time as well

1255
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,079
um no no this was you know blue book

1256
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:19,680
time yeah not 2019 but no sorry i meant

1257
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,920
about about this or early 60s

1258
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:23,440
yeah

1259
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:26,800
so here's another one

1260
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,440
there's so many of these 1963 pacific

1261
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,760
again unidentified white blinking light

1262
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,359
in flight from west to east under

1263
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:35,440
observation from military aircraft

1264
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,319
duration less than 15 seconds

1265
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,640
uh altitude of object unknown rapid

1266
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:42,800
transit across sky

1267
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,560
it's literally what we just described

1268
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,400
wow traveled through a considerable arc

1269
00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,640
reports of this nature listing uh

1270
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:53,920
altitude as unknown

1271
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,390
so what's interesting here such items as

1272
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,000
intensity and manner of disappearance

1273
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:04,480
are omitted from the service format

1274
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:05,760
service

1275
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,800
is

1276
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:09,680
norad that's how no red

1277
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,280
documented their unidentified objects

1278
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,960
and why would they emit stuff from a

1279
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:17,280
report

1280
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,750
hmm

1281
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,359
i don't know you have to ask the

1282
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,240
omitters i guess

1283
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:29,760
i don't know but it's interesting that

1284
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,440
norad is uh involved with this stuff

1285
00:46:38,109 --> 00:46:35,680
another interesting thing about these is

1286
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,119
you can see who they send these to right

1287
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,359
1963 who's getting these ufo reports

1288
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,680
it's not just the air force

1289
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,359
it's also

1290
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,920
we have nsa 7 here

1291
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:49,200
dia

1292
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:55,190
maybe joint chiefs of staff i'm not sure

1293
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,630
wow that's a lot of groups

1294
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,190
that's awesome my friend

1295
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,839
1963 they're getting ufo reports so all

1296
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:11,280
sorts of people had their hands on this

1297
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,240
stuff

1298
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:13,680
pretty interesting

1299
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:15,119
it is man and this is like you just said

1300
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,400
it's like you come across things like

1301
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,920
this when you do deep dives and you

1302
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,119
start

1303
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,359
you know seeing similarities and and

1304
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:23,200
patterns almost in some of the cases

1305
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,040
from some of the eras and stuff i mean i

1306
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:26,960
did it a long time ago

1307
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,829
it's addictive man it can really draw

1308
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,160
you in oh sure dude you should look at

1309
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:38,640
my phone it has more screenshots of

1310
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,280
military documents than i have my wife

1311
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,069
at least you're honest man at least

1312
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,920
you're honest i think that's screaming

1313
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:49,280
i'm like oh i'm gonna share this one

1314
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,230
what about your screen saver on your

1315
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:56,000
phone is that just like your best

1316
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,440
document

1317
00:48:02,309 --> 00:48:00,079
no that's actually it's like an amp i

1318
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,319
had six years ago

1319
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:04,960
and i've never i've never changed it

1320
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,800
it's fair enough

1321
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:08,240
i was expecting to say oh no that one's

1322
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:09,920
my wife but

1323
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:10,880
yeah

1324
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,599
screen and then the screensaver

1325
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,760
or the the screensaver in the background

1326
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:20,480
the background is my wife yeah and

1327
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,920
another place that app you know if

1328
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,839
people don't really want to dig or start

1329
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:25,839
digging in the documents go and read

1330
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,319
graham rendell's books you know he's

1331
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:30,880
covered world war ii but also the

1332
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,160
pacific

1333
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,319
um and other things as well he's just a

1334
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,839
machine when it comes to writing about

1335
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,319
these old cases and a lot of them are

1336
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,040
from the british perspective but he does

1337
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,119
also and has also

1338
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,359
uh done deep dives into us documents

1339
00:48:49,109 --> 00:48:47,280
from multiple archives

1340
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:49,119
and repositories as well

1341
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,960
i can't recommend them enough because

1342
00:48:54,390 --> 00:48:52,720
not only do you get the information but

1343
00:48:56,549 --> 00:48:54,400
he points you in the direction of where

1344
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,559
he got them from so he gives you a trail

1345
00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,800
that you can go and research yourself um

1346
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,040
so yeah i can't recommend that enough

1347
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:03,280
yeah no i completely agree with that

1348
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:04,559
some of his

1349
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,800
his work to me is some of

1350
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,839
some of the best i read because he's um

1351
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,640
uh just the details you know or just the

1352
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,040
facts you know he's not trying to lead

1353
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:16,800
you to believe it's this or that he's

1354
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,760
just giving you the facts you know

1355
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,599
and um

1356
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,680
you're left with kind of an obvious

1357
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:25,359
conclusion

1358
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,400
which is

1359
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,960
there's unidentified objects flying

1360
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,440
around and we don't know what they all

1361
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:33,119
are you know some of them defy

1362
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,400
explanation

1363
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,920
and that

1364
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:37,040
is

1365
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,240
the root

1366
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,680
truth

1367
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:42,079
of all this you know

1368
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,720
so anything else from that

1369
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:46,240
people have beliefs people have their

1370
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,160
feelings i'm not to say that they're

1371
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,480
wrong or that or that they're right

1372
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:52,240
but there's one thing that we should all

1373
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,800
really be able to agree on based on the

1374
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,839
facts

1375
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,640
and it's that there are objects

1376
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,720
in the skies

1377
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:03,040
um that and we don't know what they all

1378
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,240
are

1379
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,720
you know absolutely completely agree

1380
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,359
evade explanation so and it's yeah and

1381
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,119
it's been clearly happening for a long

1382
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,720
time we've got

1383
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:14,160
like some of the stuff we've just looked

1384
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,760
at some of the stuff you obviously cover

1385
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,240
on your channel an awful lot

1386
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,880
you know they can't all be just brushed

1387
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,440
aside with simple prosaic explanations

1388
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:25,680
they are genuine unknowns

1389
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,040
and that's all

1390
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,599
it is and we're not saying it's aliens

1391
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,280
yeah

1392
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,359
well some people are but some people

1393
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,200
yeah but i mean i think i'm like you

1394
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,599
just say they genuinely are unknown and

1395
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,800
you know

1396
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,480
maybe even a majority of these old cases

1397
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,240
we'll never know but

1398
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,760
right and that's the kind of sad part is

1399
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,760
some of these i read i'm like

1400
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,440
i'll never know

1401
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,119
but looking at old cases can help with

1402
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,359
researching new cases as well

1403
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,400
yeah

1404
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:56,319
even if you can't solve that old case if

1405
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,559
you see correlation to something that's

1406
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,880
happening in a more recent case then

1407
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,400
that just helps so

1408
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,440
that's kind of a bonus for me personally

1409
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:07,680
what's uh what is

1410
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,040
like one of your

1411
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,960
favorite cases or what's a what's a good

1412
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,800
case to you that helps

1413
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,720
tie history to

1414
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,559
you know the present some of the cases

1415
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:18,319
we know about that happened somewhere

1416
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,520
recently

1417
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,280
um i mean i suppose that like i mean

1418
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,880
it's a lame answer but the lake and

1419
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:24,240
heath because you know

1420
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,760
when i did that deep dive with david

1421
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:27,839
clarke and i actually got to hear

1422
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,839
the testimony from some of the people

1423
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,200
that were there

1424
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:34,319
that just i mean there's only so far you

1425
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:35,839
can go with documents and it's quite a

1426
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:38,240
long way it's a great resource but to

1427
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:39,040
hear

1428
00:51:41,349 --> 00:51:40,559
corroborative

1429
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:41,359
you know

1430
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,520
voices of people that were there

1431
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:46,240
yeah that that's just incredible it

1432
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,119
shakes you you know like when it's

1433
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,040
sorry go on well i was just gonna say

1434
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,599
yeah once you hear their testimony and

1435
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,680
you hear them actually tell about it

1436
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,040
talk about it

1437
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:58,079
like

1438
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,520
um if they're lying they would be

1439
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,680
like in movies making millions and

1440
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:05,839
millions of dollars these people are

1441
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,079
would be such good actors it's

1442
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:10,240
unbelievable because you can feel the

1443
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,400
emotion in them you know

1444
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,240
you can hear it

1445
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:16,960
you know and exactly

1446
00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:18,559
and then there's like on my website if

1447
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,880
you go to my website

1448
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,440
witnesscitizen.com

1449
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,359
you go to research tools

1450
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,240
um there's one that's uh audio testimony

1451
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:28,000
that takes you to the archives and

1452
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:29,359
there's all sorts of recordings of

1453
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:31,520
people giving their testimony

1454
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,720
pilots citizens all sorts of people

1455
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,720
and sure you'll always run into some

1456
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,640
people that it's like

1457
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,640
i don't know about you sir

1458
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:41,839
you know

1459
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,720
but there's so many the majority

1460
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,760
are

1461
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,599
giving an honest account of what

1462
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,559
happened

1463
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,440
you know

1464
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,680
and even sergeant moody who spent most

1465
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,960
of his time

1466
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,319
um

1467
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,160
researching these ufos for blue book in

1468
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,079
the air force when he retired an article

1469
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:00,079
came out in the paper where he flat out

1470
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,400
said that 90 of these objects are

1471
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,839
reported by sincere good people

1472
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,800
you know

1473
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,960
that's 90 of

1474
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:11,599
you know whatever 12 000 reports

1475
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,680
yeah you know that's insane it's a lot

1476
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,760
of honest sincere reports

1477
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,520
and you know what to say it only takes

1478
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:18,720
one

1479
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:24,720
you know to be something really bizarre

1480
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:27,200
they could shake everything up a bit

1481
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,839
you know so anymore absolutely

1482
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:31,280
i've got a really good question here

1483
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,520
from your name sean you've read so many

1484
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,280
documents have you ever read a document

1485
00:53:38,860 --> 00:53:37,680
and figured out halfway in that you've

1486
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,870
already read it

1487
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:40,640
[Laughter]

1488
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,040
um

1489
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,440
yeah i think so yeah definitely i'm

1490
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,079
starting to get to the point where

1491
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:50,319
you know my research puts me in the same

1492
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,839
place again

1493
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:54,000
um

1494
00:53:58,710 --> 00:53:57,200
but it doesn't happen very often

1495
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,720
and that's kind of why i still do it

1496
00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,400
right

1497
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,680
so i'm always putting to a different

1498
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:03,680
spot where i'm like i had no idea i had

1499
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,559
no idea wow this is incredible

1500
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,000
you know i think it's a never-ending

1501
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,839
thing you can always find something new

1502
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,480
and something exciting almost you know

1503
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,240
and there's so many ways to go about it

1504
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,559
like ryan graves testimony in this

1505
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,880
article i i read i posted on twitter

1506
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,359
yesterday about uh like a child's top

1507
00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:23,359
like child spinning top you know so i go

1508
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:25,520
to the archives and i'm like let me

1509
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,119
check this out i'm going to look for

1510
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:29,200
other accounts where it talks about a

1511
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:31,680
spinning top or like a child's top and

1512
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:34,559
lo and behold there's many accounts like

1513
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,160
that you know and that's the kind of

1514
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,000
stuff that can bridge you from the know

1515
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,000
it's like what are the chances that

1516
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:41,920
people are still seeing

1517
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,839
something that looks like a spinning

1518
00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:45,280
child stop

1519
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,400
come on

1520
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,400
that's not that's not like

1521
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,640
just a circle you know

1522
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,400
or something that that's a specific

1523
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,319
image in

1524
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:56,559
you know phrase to use

1525
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,520
what are the chances you know

1526
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:01,200
pretty incredible

1527
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:02,240
definitely

1528
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,480
well mate thank you so much for jumping

1529
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,559
on with me um you know we should do this

1530
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,960
more often find more cases and dig into

1531
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,720
the history because you know it's been a

1532
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,559
while since i've done it

1533
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:14,799
on a grand scale and i i keep finding

1534
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,720
myself these days now slipping back into

1535
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,559
it so you know it'd be great to do it

1536
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,760
with yourself yeah i would love that man

1537
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:24,079
and you're always welcome to come on my

1538
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,839
show more often too

1539
00:55:29,910 --> 00:55:27,920
you know thank you um the thing about

1540
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,920
like research and you know i think at

1541
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,839
least this is how i get sometimes is

1542
00:55:35,670 --> 00:55:33,520
where i feel the pressure to have like a

1543
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,680
guest in stuff all the time like a guest

1544
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:36,960
and then you run out of guests i'm like

1545
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:38,480
what am i supposed to do

1546
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,200
but that that's uh that's the cool point

1547
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:43,440
about having friends and and doing

1548
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:45,040
research like we can just talk to each

1549
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,240
other dude

1550
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,160
yeah no absolutely i mean in the

1551
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,680
conversation

1552
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,760
well i get that i'm this is not what i'm

1553
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,280
doing though i actually genuinely wanted

1554
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,760
you all as a guest so

1555
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,839
and a friend of course that helps but

1556
00:56:01,589 --> 00:55:59,839
you know this wasn't like i appreciated

1557
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,599
you know i have a i have a guest

1558
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:03,119
tomorrow as well so it's not like i

1559
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,119
needed it but i really wanted to to jump

1560
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,119
into some some older cases it's been

1561
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:09,200
been on my mind so much so i think it's

1562
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:10,960
really cool to talk to each other you

1563
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,079
know and i i really enjoy it every time

1564
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,440
and i always learn something new from

1565
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,839
talking to you so thank you man and i

1566
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,440
think this goes for everybody a lot of

1567
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,960
the people on twitter as well is you may

1568
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,200
have opinions on that that are

1569
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,680
completely different amongst everybody

1570
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,440
but going and talking to people that are

1571
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,640
involved in something that you're

1572
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,200
talking about may actually help

1573
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:33,040
in some way you know i feel it always

1574
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:34,480
helps to talk to the people that are

1575
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,799
involved in in cases no matter what

1576
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,119
whether they were witnesses or military

1577
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,760
or whatever just talk to them

1578
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:44,000
it can it can always open a new door or

1579
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,760
shine a new light on a part of the case

1580
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,520
that may change your mind somewhere

1581
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:50,000
along the way so so reach out to people

1582
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:51,119
talk

1583
00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,040
it's really important and it does it

1584
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,280
goes a long way so that's my little

1585
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,520
piece of advice

1586
00:57:03,030 --> 00:56:59,839
agree man i look up to you

1587
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:03,040
for sure you know and i'm proud to say

1588
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,480
you're my friend and watching you do all

1589
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,799
the stuff you do out there so thanks man

1590
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,319
i can't wait to continue to watch more

1591
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,000
episodes of

1592
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,799
uh the show that you're doing out in

1593
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,079
colombia

1594
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,000
oh yeah thanks man so because that's

1595
00:57:19,270 --> 00:57:17,920
been really good so far so

1596
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,280
i appreciate it

1597
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:21,200
yeah thanks to you thanks to everybody

1598
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:22,480
that's watched and supported that show

1599
00:57:27,510 --> 00:57:24,839
we've had a lot of positive feedback

1600
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,520
um on that note thank you to everybody

1601
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,559
in the live chat for a great

1602
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,480
conversation i'm sorry if i didn't get

1603
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,720
to all your questions um i'm going to be

1604
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:35,440
back tomorrow so straight after today

1605
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:37,599
back tomorrow with katie holland and

1606
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,200
we're going to be going over sort of the

1607
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,520
ndaa the iaa and

1608
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,200
all kind of government related uh

1609
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:45,920
aspects of the phenomenon so yeah

1610
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,680
come and join in everyone but for now

1611
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,640
guys